Originally Posted by fubar

Just to clarifie do you mean Dictatorship in Europe rather blows away human rights don't you think as there in no such thing as rights in a Dictatorship

Well, dictatorship really means something with a single figurehead in charge. Since all the people in charge of the EU are elected in their own countries - the Council of Ministers - I don't think that they are a dictatorship at all. What you might not understand that the Commission, who are the unelected of the 3 key branches, are not able to simply make laws other than decisions. For regulations and directives, the wide-reaching laws, to come into effect, the EP must agree to them (after Lisbon - before Lisbon the European Parliament had no power other than an advisory one, which is another improvement by Lisbon) and then the Council of Ministers, represented by people who are all part of an elected government in their own country, must agree. So if a directive is on transportation law, the transport ministers of each country must agree to it. That's not a dictatorship, I'm afraid. Even in a dictatorship, with one unelected figurehead, it would be quite possible to have a Bill of Rights that they could not legislate against. That would be pretty interesting actually!

Originally Posted by fubar

Clearly you have to defend the Gay,s human Rights as other wise you would realise the law you represent is corrupt.

Sorry, this makes no sense. I defend gay rights because horrific, immoral people like you and Midas want to oppress them, and I see nothing wrong with gays, some of my best friends being gay.

Originally Posted by fubar

Which rules are you applying now are you Quoting from the human rights act?? we all have an opinion just not the same as yours and Laws are wrong as in this case and can be changed.thank GOD,

No, no, really, it's fine to be ignorant. You don't understand the principles behind the HRA. That's fine. It's to protect people who the majority dislike, and to protect everyone from the government. You're the first to complain when you lose the right to protest, or the right to freedom of speech. Yet those things can actually harm others (not that I think they should be significantly restricted either). Gay people don't harm others by being gay.

Originally Posted by fubar

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! HA,YOU DO HAVE A TWISTED SENSE OF MORALITY obviously you know little on the subject,however you clearly know about the abomination that is the Human Rights Act,s,Laws,luckily these laws can be changed And the people who dreampt these Laws up will be held to book sooner rather than later, As for Midas being called a Bigot add one more to that if you care to,and you can add yourself to that so that makes three.
Oxford English dictionary,
Noun;A person who is prejudiced in their views and intolerant of the opinions of others ,
Just thought I'd clear that up as it is plainly clear that you are intolerant of Midas,s opinion(sorry Midas but it needed to be said)

Well I think it depends, doesn't it. By that pathetic logic the word bigot becomes useless because anyone who disagrees with someone else must be intolerant of them? I wouldn't want to silence you like you want to silence gays. I wouldn't want you to experience discrimination or persecution because of you being a bigot. Yet that is what you are advocating for gay people. Huh, I guess some people just don't like other people. Not going to change that, but you can stop it manifesting itself through law.

Originally Posted by fubar

Back to the topic in question their is every reason to be ashamed of our selves if you look at the facts, homosexuality is just acceptable within society at the moment, it's not normal to have anal sex as the rectum is not built for anal sex and as we all know feces is deadly either ingested or infection through anal tears after all we don't expect anyone to eat it so why would you allow anyone to infect anyone through the practice of anal sex,as it's just plain wrong,wrong, wrong.

Often, the people who obsess most about the 'wrongness' of anal sex have found to be the people suppressing slight homosexual tendencies themselves. Just a thought. Besides, it hardly matters, does it? Let's not pretend that your objection to anal sex is based on health issues. Again, three of my best friends are gay, and they've all had copious amounts of anal sex, usually in the context of a relationship, and they're a) some of the nicest people I know and b) very healthy. Maybe your objection is based on hearsay etc, it certainly isn't based on facts.

Originally Posted by fubar

As for a cure yes I believe there is a cure as to what it is exactly, that's up to Homosexuals to work that one out for themselves.

Lol. 'Yes I think there is a cure' what is it? 'no idea. But I want to ban the symptoms until one is found'.
Incidentally, I think that there's a cure for all cancer and I want to refuse giving NHS support to cancer patients because it's up to them to find one for themselves.

Originally Posted by fubar

There is this option.
No one has the right to inflict pain and suffering on anyone no matter what their sexuality is, be it homosexual or heterosexual or other and that should be clarified within the Human Rights Act,in a sense that would be a cure as it would be against the law and therefor a cure.

That wouldn't stop people being gay. It would just lead to a lot of very unhappy people, and a lot of people in prison who aren't criminals.

What the **** even gives you the reason to suggest that you have the right to control what goes on between consensual people in private? It's a rhetorical question, don't attempt to answer because you'll just make more of a fool of yourself.

Originally Posted by CAGAN

In may cultures being gay would be considered a mental illness as in our culture pedophilia is.

What consenting adults do is nothing like what adults do to exploit minors, so I am shocked by your implication. Gay and straight people essentially are the same except they want to stick different organs in different places - that is the only difference when you put cultural stereotypes aside (which have mainly been formed and grown to make gay people more media friendly).

Originally Posted by fubar

I think AIDS is the problem here but the act of anal sex in it's self is a problem. a cure to both would only be found by stopping people from having anal sex, then you would find AIDS decreasing quite rapidly???

Your comments are about 25 years out of date and extremely inaccurate - surely the biggest AIDS epidemic is in Africa and due to poor resources and education

Originally Posted by Robin Edward Putland

I said that it was natural, you asked for evidence there it is. We are vastly more sentient than any other animal but we still have instincts. It is both natural as it is present in all human societies, and thankfully socially acceptable in our society.
What are the negative effects of homosexuality on society?

Hi,

I had a puppy which kept simulating coppulating with my shoe - no doubt you would parade it as a foot fetishist!

Presumably cane toads are necrophiliacs by birth!

Homosexuality is by deffinition a perversion virtually exclusively practiced by homo sapiens in the mammalian world.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

Hi,

in answer to the original question 'can gays be cured' yes indeed they can there is very little gay about the disproportionate rate of suicide amongst incontinent homosexuals in the age range from around 40 upwards.

It is clearly simple to cure homosexuals though I would expect it to be illegal to pickle, smoke or dry them but I feel that David Laws could tell you more than you might wish to know about stuffing them for I would hazard a guess that in political terms he is pretty well stuffed!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

Seems quite a pointless thread to me. It is surely a choice one exerts onto one self.

Originally Posted by Greg Lance-Watkins

Hi,

in answer to the original question 'can gays be cured' yes indeed they can there is very little gay about the disproportionate rate of suicide amongst incontinent homosexuals in the age range from around 40 upwards.

It is clearly simple to cure homosexuals though I would expect it to be illegal to pickle, smoke or dry them but I feel that David Laws could tell you more than you might wish to know about stuffing them for I would hazard a guess that in political terms he is pretty well stuffed!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

And keeping homosexuality "behind closed doors" to quote another on this thread is a good explanation for why homosexuals would want to commit suicide.

Originally Posted by stevectaylor

Seems quite a pointless thread to me. It is surely a choice one exerts onto one self.

What absolute Tosh!

Who in their right mind would choose to be told they are abnormal? beaten up and find that people who should be their friends are suspicious of them because we all know that gay is synonymous with male rapist!

It is utterly ridiculous to imply there is a choice when every instinct towards survival and safety tells a person to pretend to be hetrosexual, and many do.

I could be straight, gay, bi-sexual, a-sexual and it wouldn't make a jot of difference to who I am here...I am feeling an urge to start singing I am who I am now!.

Originally Posted by joethfc

And keeping homosexuality "behind closed doors" to quote another on this thread is a good explanation for why homosexuals would want to commit suicide.

Hi,

it would be if it was true - I understand that the rate of suicide by percentage is highest in the areas where homosexuals congregate most openly.
I am also unaware of various friends who are perverts being kept behind closed doors - I tend to note some amongst their associates make much of flaunting their perversion rather than concealing it. That said I belive if counted even they would show an above average suicide rate as with both their rate of homicide and morbidity in accidents.


All easily explained but none the less sadly true plus of course the hugely higher rate of mortality from AIDS. (Perhaps the latter is from too MUCH time behind closed doors and with too many different partners, with whom they would seem to indiscriminately seek sef gratification in a transitory manner.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

Originally Posted by stevectaylor

Seems quite a pointless thread to me. It is surely a choice one exerts onto one self.

Hi,

silly me - I thought that was onanism!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

Greg, do you actually know any gay people?

Originally Posted by joethfc

Greg, do you actually know any gay people?

Hi,

yeah many, most of my friends.

I also know a number of homosexuals but have known a huge number over the years - shared houses with them, lived in flats with them, pubbed and clubed with them, fought alongside them.

Do you know many homosexuals and what percentage of them are gay past 40 relative to their straight friends?

Regards,
Greg_

Originally Posted by Greg Lance-Watkins

Hi,

yeah many, most of my friends.

I also know a number of homosexuals but have known a huge number over the years - shared houses with them, lived in flats with them, pubbed and clubed with them, fought alongside them.

Do you know many homosexuals and what percentage of them are gay past 40 relative to their straight friends?

Regards,
Greg_

I will try and answer as best as I can because I am not sure what your last sentence means, do you mean gay as in happy or gay as in homosexual

I only know a couple in the flesh, Greg, what do your homosexual friends think of your miracle cure?
You have to bear in mind that acceptance of homosexuality is a new phenomenon in this country and those over 40 will still be in touch with times of narrow-mindedness.

Originally Posted by Greg Lance-Watkins

Hi,

yeah many, most of my friends.
...
Do you know many homosexuals and what percentage of them are gay past 40 relative to their straight friends?

Regards,
Greg_

It's a numbers game now? Gays can be gay if they reach the right percentage? Yet most of your friends are gay. You obviously hang out in gay areas a lot and so much so you can think of percentages. It wouldn't be difficult to guess that Working mens clubs are not your haunt of choice.

Gay people are people, men who love men and women who love women. Men who swish their hips are not necessarily gay and neither are feminists automatically lesbian. Gaydar is faulty and I have gay friends is akin to 'I have black friends' - Yeah So bloody what? It is the assumptions we make that damage us and encourage our hatred.

Originally Posted by uncon

It's a numbers game now?
Gays can be gay if they reach the right percentage?

Sorry - but does this make sense to you? What on earth are you on about?

Originally Posted by uncon

Yet most of your friends are gay.

Yeah - perfectly true.

Originally Posted by uncon

You obviously hang out in gay areas a lot

Whenever possible, if I want to be with my friends - don't you?

Originally Posted by uncon

and so much so you can think of percentages.

Sorry - again you make little sense - is this some sort of code 'cos it sure isn't English!

Originally Posted by uncon

It wouldn't be difficult to guess that Working mens clubs are not your haunt of choice.

No - perfectly true, why would it be? I find a restaurant or friends house far more condusive to conversation and enjoyment.

Originally Posted by uncon

Gay people are people, men who love men and women who love women.

No they are homosexuals that they may be or have a gay life is a I hope at least as on a par with the majority of the population.

Originally Posted by uncon

Men who swish their hips are not necessarily gay and neither are feminists automatically lesbian.

Well at least you've learned something, isn't the word for that to sashay?

Originally Posted by uncon

Gaydar is faulty and I have gay friends is akin to 'I have black friends'

No I don't think so - the one is a matter of personality and mood whilst the other is a matter of colour.

Originally Posted by uncon

- Yeah So bloody what?

No need to be offensive just because you are getting confused.

Originally Posted by uncon

It is the assumptions we make that damage us and encourage our hatred.

sadly how true but hopefully you will feel better in the morning because hatred never helped anyone.

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

Originally Posted by joethfc

I will try and answer as best as I can because I am not sure what your last sentence means, do you mean gay as in happy or gay as in homosexual

I clearly mean it as used in the English language not the Frankfurt School American slang. Use a decent dictionary and you will realise that gay is of a happy or bright disposition. IF as an attempt via Aesopian NLP someone seeks to abuse the meanings of the language to distort the truth then surely they are on pretty thin ice when objecting to the use of derogatory terminology by those who seek to denigrate them.

Originally Posted by joethfc

I only know a couple in the flesh,

I am pleased to say I know none in that way, assuming you are still talking of homosexuals, so I must concede to your greater experience. Are we to assume you are very young or (for these perverts) abnormally monogamous. Especially as I understand the tiny percentage of the male population who are homosexual would seem by census to have between 90 and 120 different partners per annum.

Originally Posted by joethfc

Greg, what do your homosexual friends think of your miracle cure?

Miracle cure of or for what?
IF you mean a miracle cure for homosexuality, since it can hardly be considered a disease or an illness how might it be 'cured' and why would such a concept be, other than by a small minority who consider they SUFFER from the disposition, a concept seeking a cure.

These are normal people with abnormal and perverse sexual desires be that males with males or females with females - hence homo sexual, they are sexually attracted/gratified by sex of an homo sexual nature ie The Same Sex. So what - get over it.

Originally Posted by joethfc

You have to bear in mind that acceptance of homosexuality is a new phenomenon in this country and those over 40 will still be in touch with times of narrow-mindedness.

No I would disagree - I for instance was very actively campaigning for its decriminalisation during the early 1960s and it was widely 'accepted' amongst many people. As I'm sure you are well aware there have been homosexuals who, though a miniscule minority, have achieved great things throughout history but unless one is planning a sexual daliance with a corpse from history what is the relevance of their gender or their personal perversion - IF of course you are that is an entirely different matter and although they may well not care society is clearly opposed to that particular perversion!

I would suggest it would be unwise to advertise such an interest on an open forum such as this

I trust this helps clarify your confusion!

Though I too am confused if your nom de plume joethfc is actually an abreviation for Joe th* f*c* in which case I would have thought you had managed to work out many of the answers for yourself and wonder what your sudden interest in perversions is?

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

Greg, you contradict yourself more times than the bible and somehow it is meant to be a bad reflection on me.

You believe homosexuality can be cured, then you don't. You say you believe in the legalisation of homosexuality, but you still call it a perversion and don't acknowledge the second definition of "gay" which is widely accepted (and language is always developing you can't just stop putting words into the dictionary). Yes people in the big cities are more likely to accept homosexuality but it doesn't mean places like where I am from are at quite the same level of tolerance.

Forgive a crude remark but this is like listening to Nick Griffin talking about his black friends.

Hi,

I can understand your problem - you put words you like wherever and end up witha politically correct version of humpty dumpty ism.

Gay is happy, attractive etc.
homosexuals are all too often suicidally miserable largely they tell me due to their perversion.

Where did I say homosexuals could be cured and what do you want to cure them of?

I said the could be cured by piickling, drying, smoking etc. - don't try it at home!

Regards,
Greg_L-W.

Originally Posted by Greg Lance-Watkins

homosexuals are all too often suicidally miserable largely they tell me due to their perversion.

Being homosexual is not choice its a gender, so how could the act of sex (the perversion) make the suicedal?

Originally Posted by Greg Lance-Watkins

I said the could be cured by piickling, drying, smoking etc. - don't try it at home!

Even with a fare trade, organic, local and freedom foods assurance it would be an infringement of human right I think.

Originally Posted by Robin Edward Putland

Being homosexual is not choice its a gender, so how could the act of sex (the perversion) make the suicedal?

Never the less, the rate of suicides in the gay community is up to 4 times that of in the wider heterosexual community, the psychological stresses of being seen in what are considered as abnormal relationships by the majority of people, and the fear of 'coming out' and consequential social isolation in younger gay people, are the two most significant factors.

Originally Posted by Midas

Never the less, the rate of suicides in the gay community is up to 4 times that of in the wider heterosexual community, the psychological stresses of being seen in what are considered as abnormal relationships by the majority of people, and the fear of 'coming out' and consequential social isolation in younger gay people, are the two most significant factors.

The rate of suicide in young men is higher still. Is the stigma of being a young man such a terrible thing to bear?