David Cameron urges European Union to drop 'prejudice' against Turkey

[Barry]

It is about his stance on the EU, Turkey, and comments on the flotilla raid.

AFP: Cameron 'angry' at slow pace of Turkey's EU talks

Then the Guardian has noticed he is out on a limb:
David Cameron's Turkophilia faces an uphill struggle | Denis MacShane | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

Then he sides with the bad guys over Israel/Gaza
Gaza is a prison camp, says David Cameron - Telegraph

Do we want Turkey to join the EU? really?
The government have recently been taken control by Islamists and the country strongly persecutes Christians. They fail every common sense test of freedoms to join the EU.
I'm thinking of joining AMGINGLES in his conspiracy theories, as this looks like another attempt to create a NWO without the consent of the electorate.

What happened to Dave's promise of a referendum if there are any major changes in the EU
Will we get to vote on whether Turkey can become a member?

[DaveUK]

I fail to see what the problem is with regard to any of those ariticles. Cameron is bang on point with all of his statements you've posted here, especially with regard to Gaza. When I read what you said about him siding with the bad guys, I thought you meant Israel.
I don't have a lot of faith in Cameron myself, or his coalition government. But that is mainly because of his sucking up to Obama, allowing himself to be bullied by the US media, and not taking anywhere near a tough enough stance on Israel. I suspect it has a lot to do with not wanting to upset Washington, but IMO Britain should sever all diplomatic ties with Israel, pertition the UN for Israels full and unconditional withdrawal from all occupied Palestinian lands, the full repatriation of Palestinian refugees along with the return of their property and compensation.
Barry, how can you talk about TURKEY persecuting Christians when Israel is guilty of the most hanus religious persecution against Christians and Muslims?
What does the fact that TURKEY'S main religious group is Muslim? Tell me Barry, does entry into the EU depend on religion now? How about Ireland? The Irish are mainly Catholic republicans aren't they? Didn't they have a tendancy to persecute protestant Christians? You see how silly these generalisatons are?

[coalition]

It is about his stance on the EU, Turkey, and comments on the flotilla raid.

AFP: Cameron 'angry' at slow pace of Turkey's EU talks

Then the Guardian has noticed he is out on a limb:
David Cameron's Turkophilia faces an uphill struggle | Denis MacShane | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

Then he sides with the bad guys over Israel/Gaza
Gaza is a prison camp, says David Cameron - Telegraph

Do we want Turkey to join the EU? really?
The government have recently been taken control by Islamists and the country strongly persecutes Christians. They fail every common sense test of freedoms to join the EU.
I'm thinking of joining AMGINGLES in his conspiracy theories, as this looks like another attempt to create a NWO without the consent of the electorate.

What happened to Dave's promise of a referendum if there are any major changes in the EU
Will we get to vote on whether Turkey can become a member?

Without the consent of 'The Electorate' is the way Hitler AND Cameron got into power.

[Midas]

It is about his stance on the EU, Turkey, and comments on the flotilla raid.

AFP: Cameron 'angry' at slow pace of Turkey's EU talks

Then the Guardian has noticed he is out on a limb:
David Cameron's Turkophilia faces an uphill struggle | Denis MacShane | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

Then he sides with the bad guys over Israel/Gaza
Gaza is a prison camp, says David Cameron - Telegraph

Do we want Turkey to join the EU? really?
The government have recently been taken control by Islamists and the country strongly persecutes Christians. They fail every common sense test of freedoms to join the EU.
I'm thinking of joining AMGINGLES in his conspiracy theories, as this looks like another attempt to create a NWO without the consent of the electorate.

What happened to Dave's promise of a referendum if there are any major changes in the EU
Will we get to vote on whether Turkey can become a member?

Having a confirmed anti-EU stance myself I don't believe that we should be encouraging any expansion of the organisation regardless of the religious beliefs of the country concerned, and I do find it rather strange how David Cameron has gone from wanting a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty to this seeming endorsement of the expansion of the EU against popular opinion here. However I can quite understand his Gaza comments given that Israel has been soundly condemned internationally for it's illegal acts both in Gaza and against the Turkish flotilla. As for a referendum if there are any major changes, my understanding is that this refers to policy changes, not membership, but the whole thing does seem as if he's himself unsure and is swayed by the circumstances of the moment.

[Barry]

This change in Cameron's stance seems very hot on the heels of this story about Palestinian backing for the Tory party funds:

Palestinian tycoons with Libya links behind Tory donations - Telegraph

Please don't make this another Israel v Palestine thread, they are so boring.

Turkey is becoming more and more an Islamic state, which is a theocracy, not a democracy. The EU is supposedly a democracy and, as such, is totally incompatible with a rising Islamic state with its Sharia Laws, which are anti women, anti homosexual, anti everyone - except the deluded followers of Mohammed.

[DaveUK]

Without the consent of 'The Electorate' is the way Hitler AND Cameron got into power.

Don't forget Gordon Brown and James Calaghan.

[DaveUK]

This change in Cameron's stance seems very hot on the heels of this story about Palestinian backing for the Tory party funds:

Palestinian tycoons with Libya links behind Tory donations - Telegraph

Please don't make this another Israel v Palestine thread, they are so boring.

Turkey is becoming more and more an Islamic state, which is a theocracy, not a democracy. The EU is supposedly a democracy and, as such, is totally incompatible with a rising Islamic state with its Sharia Laws.

Err, you brought up Israel and Palestine.

anti women, anti homosexual, anti everyone - except the deluded followers of Mohammed

The word hypocrite springs to mind.

[Streetwalker]

I have no interest whatsoever in Arab religions or politics.They are as usefull in the modern world as an ashtray on a motorbike,the only reason any civilised country has any dealings with them is OIL,,,,,full stop.

Right now Ive got that off my chest back to topic. Cameron. What a turncoat,did I not here the words "No more expansion of the EU" and "Any major changes will be put to referendum ? "
Turkey joining the EU is a Major change and a Major expansion. I see no benefit of Turkish membership but plenty of potential problems.They couldnt even behave themselves as members of NATO when they invaded Cyprus in the 70's.
Having Turkey as a member just reinforces my belief that we would be ....
www.betteroffout.co.uk

[Nicholas]

In a speech in the Turkish capital of Ankara, he will tell of his "anger" that a country which is a member of the Nato coalition fighting in Afghanistan should be asked to: "guard the camp but not be allowed to sit inside the tent".

He will claim that those who seek to block the incorporation of a Muslim nation into the 27-member EU are misguided and prejudiced. His words are likely to be construed as criticism of France and Germany, which both oppose the country's membership.....

Cameron urges EU to drop 'prejudice' against Turkey - Telegraph

They have a high birthrate and high levels of poverty, let's consider that before we even think about the fact they are muslims.

If we allow them the same privelige we allowed Poland we'd be looking at a situation where literally millions of them would arrive here overnight, begging bowls at the ready.

the insanity of this beggars belief... can Cameron not see this, I find that hard to believe? Does the possibility of millions more people claiming benefits, getting preferential treatment to brits in the job market, getting housing benefit, pushing up hospital waiting lists, does none of this register with him? More islamists to picket our soldiers, groom our children into drugs and prostitution, blow themselves up for Allah. If he were to allow this, I really do believe it will be the straw that breaks this country's back.

[Streetwalker]

Non of our polititions have the backbone to put the European question to the electorate.Cameron does not speak for the people of the UK,he does not speak for the people of Europe,he doesn't speak for anyone but himself . Maybe he should just shut it !

He did say that any more major changes within the EU would trigger a referendum on the EU. (Covering up his backtracking on lisbon) Turkey joining would IMO be a major change

[Major Sinic]

Oh dear! I have a great deal of respect for David Cameron, and what he is trying to do as Prime Minister, but on this issue I think he has got it wrong. The biggest single reason is that Turkey is not in Europe and Turkish people are not European. Secondly Turkey is economically unsound and state controls of its economy are opaque and their integrity questionnable. Thirdly immigration into the UK is already excessive, and the open border immigration of Turkish Muslims (which I understand EU law ultimately demands for citizens of EU member states) against a backdrop of Muslim supremacists, fundamentalists and terrorism would be culturally unwelcome and not in the interests of Britain. I fail to understand why their membership of NATO should be a crucial consideration. The USA is a member of NATO, but would never be invited to join the EU so why should Turkey be different.

[crazylilting]

In a speech in the Turkish capital of Ankara, he will tell of his "anger" that a country which is a member of the Nato coalition fighting in Afghanistan should be asked to: "guard the camp but not be allowed to sit inside the tent".

He will claim that those who seek to block the incorporation of a Muslim nation into the 27-member EU are misguided and prejudiced. His words are likely to be construed as criticism of France and Germany, which both oppose the country's membership.....

Cameron urges EU to drop 'prejudice' against Turkey - Telegraph

They have a high birthrate and high levels of poverty, let's consider that before we even think about the fact they are muslims.

If we allow them the same privelige we allowed Poland we'd be looking at a situation where literally millions of them would arrive here overnight, begging bowls at the ready.

the insanity of this beggars belief... can Cameron not see this, I find that hard to believe? Does the possibility of millions more people claiming benefits, getting preferential treatment to brits in the job market, getting housing benefit, pushing up hospital waiting lists, does none of this register with him? More islamists to picket our soldiers, groom our children into drugs and prostitution, blow themselves up for Allah. If he were to allow this, I really do believe it will be the straw that breaks this country's back.

What on earth is he up to? There are clear reasons why Turkey shouldn't be part of the EU and i thought this was already established!! One has to watch this very closely as someone has poisoned the water hole. There is a saying, watch where the money goes. So I think we should be very vigilant in not only tracking what is said and by whom but also what money changes hands and why.

I think we've had enough of this issue why are we having to look at it once again? The human rights issues alone would be reason enough to keep them out of the EU. We already have enough issues on our own soil without opening the flood gate of these new EU members bringing more fundamentalist beliefs and attitudes to our door step.

Some things just seem so unbelievable that it feels as though we are completely clueless to what the real motivation for this is.

[Nicholas]

What on earth is he up to? There are clear reasons why Turkey shouldn't be part of the EU and i thought this was already established!! One has to watch this very closely as someone has poisoned the water hole. There is a saying, watch where the money goes. So I think we should be very vigilant in not only tracking what is said and by whom but also what money changes hands and why.

I think we've had enough of this issue why are we having to look at it once again? The human rights issues alone would be reason enough to keep them out of the EU. We already have enough issues on our own soil without opening the flood gate of these new EU members bringing more fundamentalist beliefs and attitudes to our door step.

Some things just seem so unbelievable that it feels as though we are completely clueless to what the real motivation for this is.

Dam i actually agree with you on most of your points . Besides the 'yuman rites' stuff i was actually itching for an arguement

[5K3PT1C]

Turkey came last in a poll of 34 countries that looked at the acceptance of "Creation Science." Their country is not secular. The only country where a higher proportion of the population do not accept he theory of evolution is the United States. The creation story is taught in science lessons rather than religious studies. Do we need more of these people coming here to work as doctors despite lacking a basic foundation knowledge in the history of the origin of human biology? I think we get enough of that from outside the EU anyway thanks.

The other point to note is that the bigger the EU gets, the less appropriate and specific their rules will be for each country. It doesn't matter which countries (Islamic countries or Eastern European countries or whatever) - The more people the rules have to apply to, the less relevant they will be. Take the interest rate for example. If the interest rate for Britain is decided here, then it's the best rate for Britain. This is naive I know, but works for the sake of this example. If the interest rate is decided in Brussells then (in theory) it's the best rate for the EU as a whole, but not necessarily for Britain. If Brussells has to factor in more countries (including much weaker economies than ours) then the rate would be further skewed away from the ideal one for Britain.

This is a very simple example but serves to illustrate my point - the bigger the EU gets, the less I want to be involved! Turkey itself needs to integrate (Muslims are good at that, as we know) with European cultures and values if it wants to join th EU. Even then, should the EU get bigger at all? Should we be a member of it? I would say no. Let's see if we get a referendum - don't hold your breath.

[ryoden]

Gosh everyone agrees... Cameron take note

Lets hope France and germany stick their guns then because if Turkey is allowed membership it will be an unmitigated disaster for the UK, I think all the salient points have already been made so I won't reiterate.

[Midas]

I've just merged this thread with the slightly earlier one "Dave just lost any confidence I had in him... (About Turkey)" as they're dealing with the same current issue.