How embarrassing for the fascist leader

[JacquesMagique]

Wrong. Stop lying and read: BBC NEWS | UK | England | Manchester | BNP member attacked with hammer

Do you notice how the BBC don't mention the UAF?

[MarkMuses]

Do you notice how the BBC don't mention the UAF?

Neo said no hammer - wrong according to the BBC article.
Neo said no Land rover - wrong there was vehicle (maybe it was a f'ing Range Rover or a Robin Reliant whatever - but there was a vehicle and a trailer overturned). So Tony's version of the ignition failing due to the anti-crash mechanism bears out as he was stuck in it while violent mouth foaming filth swung hammers at him.

It also says a man was arrested on suspicion of causing grievous bodily harm. Later released with no charge of course just Like Weyman Bennett.

Correct JM it does not mention the UAF but other articles describing the same incident do just that. Tony Ward wasn't robbed he was attacked, that much is clear and the UAF's head thugster has since been arrested on another occasion on suspicion of conspiring to be violent piece of ****.

If all this was about a BNP person commiting this violence you lot would have no problem whatsoever in stating all this and condeming him (rightly), but the sheer double standards in some of the posts on this thread is clear for all to see when it's a BNP guy gets his face stoved in with a claw hammer. You MC cultists should visit your local Mosque and prostrate yourselves, go on, go and get 'enriched' since you want to force it on everyone else

[Neo2012]

Neo said no hammer - wrong according to the BBC article.
Neo said no Land rover - wrong there was vehicle (maybe it was a f'ing Range Rover or a Robin Reliant whatever - but there was a vehicle and a trailer overturned). So Tony's version of the ignition failing due to the anti-crash mechanism bears out as he was stuck in it while violent mouth foaming filth swung hammers at him.

It also says a man was arrested on suspicion of causing grievous bodily harm. Later released with no charge of course just Like Weyman Bennett.

Correct JM it does not mention the UAF but other articles describing the same incident do just that. Tony Ward wasn't robbed he was attacked, that much is clear and the UAF's head thugster has since been arrested on another occasion on suspicion of conspiring to be violent piece of ****.

If all this was about a BNP person commiting this violence you lot would have no problem whatsoever in stating all this and condeming him (rightly), but the sheer double standards in some of the posts on this thread is clear for all to see when it's a BNP guy gets his face stoved in with a claw hammer. You MC cultists should visit your local Mosque and prostrate yourselves, go on, go and get 'enriched' since you want to force it on everyone else

watch tony wards videos. No hammers. He clearly wasn't in a vehichle. They weren't black. There were not four, there were three. No proof they were UAF, in fact if you slow it down, it looks like the woman he shouting at them not to attack. Why do they not show this on the BNPtv? And if the media is involved in a conspiracy against the fascist, why would they repeat these spurious allegations? NONE of your allegations have been proven. And you are clearly a hypocrite to quote the BBc, when you claim they are part of a massive conspiracy against the fascists.


I and the UAF, do not promote, support, or condone the attacking of a fascist even as it happened here, which looks like he was shoved over and his camera taken off him from his injury. You can see that from the first video where he is sticking the camera in people's faces. Be honest now mark, if you were a fascist with his reputation would you do that?

However in many parts of Britain if you were to go round sticking a camera in people's faces, with the reputation of putting information like that on the likes of Red Watch, he would have got a far worse kicking. The only reason he acted so provocatively, was because he knew he could get away with it with the UAF, unfortunately for him looks like AFA or the boxng gym turned up. That is not the UAF fault.

Now anything on eggs.

[MarkMuses]

watch tony wards videos. No hammers. He clearly wasn't in a vehichle. They weren't black. There were not four, there were three. No proof they were UAF, in fact if you slow it down, it looks like the woman he shouting at them not to attack. Why do they not show this on the BNPtv? And if the media is involved in a conspiracy against the fascist, why would they repeat these spurious allegations? NONE of your allegations have been proven. And you are clearly a hypocrite to quote the BBc, when you claim they are part of a massive conspiracy against the fascists.


I and the UAF, do not promote, support, or condone the attacking of a fascist even as it happened here, which looks like he was shoved over and his camera taken off him from his injury. You can see that from the first video where he is sticking the camera in people's faces. Be honest now mark, if you were a fascist with his reputation would you do that?

However in many parts of Britain if you were to go round sticking a camera in people's faces, with the reputation of putting information like that on the likes of Red Watch, he would have got a far worse kicking. The only reason he acted so provocatively, was because he knew he could get away with it with the UAF, unfortunately for him looks like AFA or the boxng gym turned up. That is not the UAF fault.

Now anything on eggs.

Why are you copy/pasting? You do know the viewing figures here right? (no offense to Steve). This is not a campaigning platform, it's a debating site, just you, me, and the regulars. I know you won't persuade me because I've already been MC compliant in the past, and I won't persuade you because you are either naturally xenocentric (fair enough), or thick as ****.

Oh lordy, finally at last (and for now anyway) you bother to condemn violence and claim the UAF does too! Like pulling teeth with you Neo. Sadly you are still contradicting the BBC article and others.

Moving on, as to pushing a camera into people's faces depends who's around and behind you. They were outnumbered by the looks, and I don't think it is clear at all without a wide angle shot of the whole scene. I don't think Red Watch is a peaceful site. I don't like people's names and addresses put up in public unless they are public figures. The BNP are peaceful and we all know they damn well have to be. The only thing they can and should do is video everything going on around them. That I do support.

Eggs? Sunny side up please.

[Neo2012]

Why are you copy/pasting? You do know the viewing figures here right? (no offense to Steve). This is not a campaigning platform, it's a debating site, just you, me, and the regulars. I know you won't persuade me because I've already been MC compliant in the past, and I won't persuade you because you are either naturally xenocentric (fair enough), or thick as ****.

It is a bit of a new hobby, studying the psychology of of the BNP supporter/apologist. The cut and paste from many sources is called evidence, something the fascist supporters/apologists don't like, preferring to rely upon gossip for their own arguments.
My proclivities are decidedly British, and my intellect much higher than yours, so you will need to develop the third option, correct.
(What is MC compliant?)

Oh lordy, finally at last (and for now anyway) you bother to condemn violence and claim the UAF does too! Like pulling teeth with you Neo. Sadly you are still contradicting the BBC article and others.

I've explained many times UAF opposition to AFA's tactics, you do not reciprocate, you just repeat the BNP claim the police and courts are in the conspiracy against the BNP. And I have shown there is not evidence to prove the allegations against UAF and why the crown prosecution service threw it out.

Moving

on, as to pushing a camera into people's faces depends who's around and behind you. They were outnumbered by the looks, and I don't think it is clear at all without a wide angle shot of the whole scene. I don't think Red Watch is a peaceful site. I don't like people's names and addresses put up in public unless they are public figures.

absolutely, that was my pint, he was way outnumbered, and despite the provocation nobody had threatened him from the UAF demonstration. Why do you think he would do this, if the UAF were as painted? Because he knew he could get away with it.

The BNP are peaceful and we all know they damn well have to be. The only thing they can and should do is video everything going on around them. That I do support.

there is no way you can know what is going on behind closed doors. Behind closed doors a very different picture emerges. YouTube - BNP Members List - Nazis Exposed BNP threatening to kill each other (really watch this former BNP members exposing what the party is really like from the inside)http://www.youtube.com/user/bnpinfo#p/u/7/H9GVdzqVu_E and when the leader clearly set out how he intends to deceive the British voting public YouTube - Nick Griffin's ex-KKK pals when they control the media, they have explained many times how they will use the state to make the traitors pay the ultimate price.

Eggs? Sunny side up please.

you surprise me, I thought you would have been a throw the eggs in the bin, and derail the pan on to a completely different topic, kind of guy.

[MarkMuses]

It is a bit of a new hobby, studying the psychology of of the BNP supporter/apologist. The cut and paste from many sources is called evidence, something the fascist supporters/apologists don't like, preferring to rely upon gossip for their own arguments.

That's amusing because I have been posting for the same reason, only from a "I must be a Nazi if I don't agree with your standpoint" and specifically the cullt-like elements of multi-cult adherents too. Like I say re-posting copy/pastes doesn't make a lot of sense to me unless its specific, but hey I guess you will anyway... Crap from years ago etc... Neo-Nazis aren't the ones trying to rob my freedoms today. I object to anyone telling me what political views I can hear. So hail the new fascists of the Left hey?

My proclivities are decidedly British, and my intellect much higher than yours, so you will need to develop the third option, correct.

I've explained many times UAF opposition to AFA's tactics, you do not reciprocate, you just repeat the BNP claim the police and courts are in the conspiracy against the BNP.

Yes the 'peaceful' UAF get arrested for violence increasingly often and released without charge on a regular basis too. You do the math!!! (ugly Americansim hehe).

[DC]

Well, I read the article, and there clearly were hammers (what was the man hit by? An egg?). As for UAF presence, no, but you can easily guarantee that the people who tried to bash that man's head in are the same ones who scream and shout at other protests under the UAF banner. Such violence against any political party is disgusting, and your idea Balthazar that the Muslim issue can be solved by Muslims beating the BNP into submission is frankly disgusting, it asserts that whatever you political views, they are correct if you beat the opposition into submission. Both the Jewish and Black questions were only resolved over time and through integration, something Muslims have been reluctant to do, it had nothing to do with either the Jews or Blacks using violence.

Incidentally on the Cable Street and Brixton riots, Cable Street was an illegal and immoral suppression of free speech, although in fairness the Government should have prevented the BUF from marching in the predominantly Jewish area, just as they prevented ISLAM4UK marching in Wooton Basset, and frankly the plaque commemorating the event seems to glorify political suppression. As for the Brixton riots, well they weren't to do with race, just abhorrent acts of violence committed by youth radicalised by rumours.

[JacquesMagique]

As for UAF presence, no, but you can easily guarantee that the people who tried to bash that man's head in are the same ones who scream and shout at other protests under the UAF banner.

Can you? I was under the impression there was more than one anti-fascist group in Britain, two of whom actually advocate violence, unlike UAF.

[DC]

Can you? I was under the impression there was more than one anti-fascist group in Britain, two of whom actually advocate violence, unlike UAF.

And with the dominance of the UAF in this particular area, with virtually all protests organised by them, they certainly move in the same crowd irrelevant of which group, if any tehy belong to. I never said they were members, just that they certainly have links to the UAF, as every anti-'fascist' group would. Basically if you against the BNP enough to protest, chances are you've done so with UAF members or under a UAF banner. If you're against them enough to hurl hammers at people, you certainly have links to the UAF.

[JacquesMagique]

And with the dominance of the UAF in this particular area, with virtually all protests organised by them, they certainly move in the same crowd irrelevant of which group, if any tehy belong to. I never said they were members, just that they certainly have links to the UAF, as every anti-'fascist' group would. Basically if you against the BNP enough to protest, chances are you've done so with UAF members or under a UAF banner. If you're against them enough to hurl hammers at people, you certainly have links to the UAF.

Well that just shows how ignorant you are of the anti-fascist movement in the UK. Antifa are a group notorious for advocating militant action against the BNP but equally notorious for refusing to work with pretty much any other anti-fascist group, particularly the UAF.

[DC]

Well that just shows how ignorant you are of the anti-fascist movement in the UK. Antifa are a group notorious for advocating militant action against the BNP but equally notorious for refusing to work with pretty much any other anti-fascist group, particularly the UAF.

How large are Antifa?

[JacquesMagique]

How large are Antifa?

Not particularly in comparison to the UAF, but like I said I said they have a reputation for advocating violence.

[Neo2012]

And with the dominance of the UAF in this particular area, with virtually all protests organised by them, they certainly move in the same crowd irrelevant of which group, if any tehy belong to. I never said they were members, just that they certainly have links to the UAF, as every anti-'fascist' group would. Basically if you against the BNP enough to protest, chances are you've done so with UAF members or under a UAF banner. If you're against them enough to hurl hammers at people, you certainly have links to the UAF.

You'd do not usually speak from a position of ignorance. You clearly have no knowledge of the left, and the anti fascist in the UK.

There are several anti fascist organisations in Britain, often antagonistic to each other. Searchlight, I'm sure you have heard of them, split from uaf, and formed their own anti fascist movement, I think they are hope not hate. AFA etc, several organisations, come from the anarchist area, and so ideologically don't believe in central organization. Usually just a bunch of like minded individuals in an area, who do what they see fit, which is often being as hostile to HNH UAF SWP WP, etc, as the fascists. Also, the account I gave below of the boxing gym, is the truth. I have seen on several occasions, people who I thought were completely non political, just turn on the fascists, and kicked their heads in.

This is nothing new. If you want any validation of my outlining, just watch the life of Brian.

[Neo2012]

That's amusing because I have been posting for the same reason, only from a "I must be a Nazi if I don't agree with your standpoint" and specifically the cullt-like elements of multi-cult adherents too. Like I say re-posting copy/pastes doesn't make a lot of sense to me unless its specific, but hey I guess you will anyway... Crap from years ago etc... Neo-Nazis aren't the ones trying to rob my freedoms today. I object to anyone telling me what political views I can hear. So hail the new fascists of the Left hey?



Yes the 'peaceful' UAF get arrested for violence increasingly often and released without charge on a regular basis too. You do the math!!! (ugly Americansim hehe).

UAF actualy agree with you, that their tactics of fighting fascism with no platform/boycott, they say IS an anti democratic response to anti democratic fascists. Fighting fire with fire.

The math is, you now know it is a lie to say UAF are organised a hammer attack on a fascist. Will that stop you from repeating it?

What is MC compliant?

[MarkMuses]

UAF actualy agree with you, that their tactics of fighting fascism with no platform/boycott, they say IS an anti democratic response to anti democratic fascists. Fighting fire with fire.

The math is, you now know it is a lie to say UAF are organised a hammer attack on a fascist. Will that stop you from repeating it?

What is MC compliant?

It's news to me if the UAF intend to clean up their act. They should be Unite Against Totalitarianism. If they did that then Labour would and should come under scrutiny. It ain't going to happen and the fact you still think Tony Ward wasn't claw hammered by UAF suggests denial to me. Okay the evidence after we've gone through it (that I've seen) is circumstantial, but if the Police really didn't do their job as claimed then that explains alot, and is hardly a precedent.

Every MC compliant organisation is ranged against the BNP. The Police (or senior Police at least), are paranoid about being compliant since being declared "institutionally racist" a few years ago with sweeping reforms. Why well of course because they've yoyo'd between stop and search and no stop and search on black people. Operation Trident. all the rest The figures climb the figures fall. The Police can't do anything right. Fact is, for whatever reason, black people commit more crime. Screwing the Police over does not remove the problem. The victims of crime pay the price.

MC Compliant? Multi(c)ultural Compliant. Politically Correct Compliant. Call it what you will. They have charters of commitment to 'equality', but the reality doesn't fit. So whitey gets blamed again and again. What are you going to say Neo? Black people are poorer, it's economic? That old chestnut. Okay, why then are Bangldeshis poorer than Blacks but commit less crime?

You know I really don't give a stuff about supremacy. I think it's just difference when all is said and done. Spot the white man in the 100 metres final. Blacks are massively overrepresented in the entrertainment industry blah blah. Good luck to them! What pisses me off is that white people as a group routinely get the blame for everything and the credit for nothing. Now that's 'racist'.

Honestly UAF are living in a dream world. You guys aren't the only ones who think they have a moral argument. Leftist thinking is fundamentally flawed.

I'll just add I think Nazis are not any kind of solution and neither are rabid Communists. Both have murdered millions.

Any group that doesn't allow dissent is basically rotten. Until you can show me the BNP, today's BNP are doing that then I must say the only buggers trying to censor me are the UAF and their cronies. That's where the fascism is being demonstrated, intimidation, violence (their leader arrested for it), and their complete madness that only people of 'colour' should get a group voice representing them. Even that's not on the mark, it's more than major race groups, the BNP don't want Europeans pouring into Britain either. Britain is the most populated country on the continent.

Enough. I want quality of life. I don't want to live in a rats nest of people gabbling in a 100 different languages, with different cultures creating a mean estranged rat-race. Modern life is tough enough.