UKIP want to ban the Burqa

[octopus]

Yes, I know you think that Britain is so superior to every other culture that the invasions you led were good for the cultures around the world by destroying people and cultures. Saving them selves from their own culture as you'd say?



Don't be so stupid, What percentage of the UK populace was born overseas?

Not many I suspect? Moan to me when it's over 25%.

Firstly, whether you like it or not, Kiwi, Britain has made one hell of a contribution to the world. In areas of technology, medicine, civilisation and a lot of cash invested in these different countries. Today, we give billions to the developing world while we Brits have to put up with appaling esential services as part result of this, not what one would expect from the 5th richest nation. So, I don"t think your poor, oppresed people are doing to badly out of us, do you? As for cultures being destroyed, the price, I"m afraid; the Romans among others, done it to the ancient Britons. Our indgenious white people were treated appalingly in centuries gone by, although you don"t hear quite so much about that, of course. Your non-white friends were not singled out for this barbaric treatment it was all part and parcel of life in centuries gone by.
From the press gang to the work house, life was very hard for around 90% of the population, but Britain became the greatest nation on earth, and has contributed more to the world than anyone else. What have most third world countries given?


For a New Zealander, you seem to know a lot about the UK. You EVEN seem to know our immigrant population. Remarkable, as our goverment doesn"t even know; some were even working in the Home Office without their knowledge, and the were here illegaly. The fact is, I couldn"t care less about numbers, 25% or 2% If you walk down any large city street you will find in certain areas large numbers of West Indians, Sikhs, Hindus and of course Muslims - there usualy is Mosque nearby where Muslims are in large numbers. And large numbers there are! Take it from me, I live near them. I go by the evidence of my eyes and ears which tell me we have a problem.

[Janus]

I have been listening to you all, but I wish that some of you would use a spellcheckr as it can be quite a nusance when one is trying to read all the banter and dream up a apt replt to it all.
Anyway, on with the show, as the say!

Firstly, I don't think Muslims gathering outside mosques poses any more a threat that a gathering at a wedding ceremony. It is just a different situation/context. How can we be so paranoid as to assume that they are there for no good reason. I am sure that many honest, hardworking Muslims/Asians are pacifists by now after they heard themselves about the evils of hardliners and Sin Laden et al. Most if not all just come over here to make a living in what they hoped would be a brave new land of opportunity for them and their kindred fellows. We wouldn't have the delicious delicacies of the Red Fort string of Indian restaurants without such traders, and as one of you said, it certainly adds colour to an otherwise monochromatic society. I want to know just what is the problem with Asians for some of you; it is obviously not the Eastern Europeans that were getting over here in their droves during the recent crises of the last coupla' decades, such as from Romania any more is it? I can't see how after all this discourse the "problem" of the burkha has not been finally resolved in our minds. I say, let's just have the thing removed and be done with it. Once it is dealt with by legal means there will be no more tears over such an unnecessary and unhealthy-looking piece of nothing then anyway. Then we can concern ourselves with more important things for Muslims such as their place and role in the social sector. Once we have this burkha law nailed to the mast, then the remaining advocates of said implement can decide whether they want to enjoy the superior benefits of living in our country by our law system, which under Labour would be a fair one, or whether they would rather return to their respective native lands and wearing the burkha freely for all they're worth there! I hardly think something so paltry is worth protesting or leaving the UK over, so there is no harm in banning it in certain cases. It will result in liberating a minority of women who feel suppressed by their own scruples today. We are doing them a favour by showing them that sometimes the British way is best!
I am also aware that (please correct me if I'm wrong; I am here to learn from you all as well as to spout off sweet nothings of unknown value) the majority of Britons (Asians no doubt aside) that go for parties like BNP and UKIP are the older generation and the churched Protestants and mostly those living in rural areas. Some info I have gathered and some from deduction and observation (as my kind is an observant one; I have an artistic eye for detail somex). Am I correct? If I therefore do not find myself among that class or breed of humans, am I consistent in not following their ideologies? Considering all sides of the debate, is there something we/I am missing?

[octopus]

We are on the same side here! I was simply pointing out that it's very easy to be hypocritical when it comes to immigrants, expecting them to do things that we would never dream of doing when we go to live in another country. Having said that, there is indeed a big difference between retaining your culture and religion in the privacy of your own home to trying to make a big public deal of it, which I agree is what many immigrants to here try to do.

But as far as the church issue is concerned, the only Islamic country that I know of that doesn't allow Christian churches is Saudi Arabia; there may not be many elsewhere, but they are allowed and do exist.

As I say, depends where you go, and I wasn"t having a go at you. There are indeed Muslim countries who allow Christians to worship. Saudi Arabia is a country better off left alone, but it is THEIR country and we should respect that. However, Islam is a far more aggressive faith than Christianity, and should be kept within its home. ground. True, all Muslims aren"t hate merchants, but all the time we have Mosques, large numbers of these people here and indeed burquas, we are going to have this division in our society.

[akPRO]

Islam is a far more aggressive faith than Christianity

I'm sorry octopus, but to say the above is rather ridiculous; how do you think Christianity got here in the first place!? You talk as though the UK or indeed Europe was the birthplace of Christianity, when in fact it only came here in the late 6th Century; hundreds of years after it was founded.

True, Islam has recently become more radical in it's spread, what with some African nations for example, becoming Islamic (mostly as a result of Jihadists), but you have to remember that Ye Olde Britons probably saw the proliferation of Christianity here in the same light as you, and yet it helped to turn the UK into the great country that it is.

[Midas]

I'm sorry octopus, but to say the above is rather ridiculous; how do you think Christianity got here in the first place!? You talk as though the UK or indeed Europe was the birthplace of Christianity, when in fact it only came here in the late 6th Century; hundreds of years after it was founded.

Just a quick factual correction, the view that Christianity arrived in Britain with Augustine in the late 6th century is wrong. Christianity actually arrived in Britain quite early on during the Roman occupation, there is evidence it was first brought by traders perhaps as early as the 1st century, although it certainly wasn't organised. But after Constantine acknowledged Christianity and made it Rome's 'official' religion (thinking that a single monotheistic religion could be used to unite the Roman Empire and achieve military success) in the early 4th century it started to take off in Britain, over 250 years before Augustine.

True, Islam has recently become more radical in it's spread, what with some African nations for example, becoming Islamic (mostly as a result of Jihadists), but you have to remember that Ye Olde Britons probably saw the proliferation of Christianity here in the same light as you, and yet it helped to turn the UK into the great country that it is.

There's actually no evidence for organised resistance against Christianity in Britain; in any event the social conditions and the mindset of medieval people here were completely different to how they are today, when we are far less superstitious and much more objective and analytical in our approach to issues such as Islamic Fundamentalism.

[octopus]

I'm sorry octopus, but to say the above is rather ridiculous; how do you think Christianity got here in the first place!? You talk as though the UK or indeed Europe was the birthplace of Christianity, when in fact it only came here in the late 6th Century; hundreds of years after it was founded.

True, Islam has recently become more radical in it's spread, what with some African nations for example, becoming Islamic (mostly as a result of Jihadists), but you have to remember that Ye Olde Britons probably saw the proliferation of Christianity here in the same light as you, and yet it helped to turn the UK into the great country that it is.

I am aware of the birth place of Christanity 2000 years ago, and where, which is of course ancient history; frankly I am not concerned about its history. What I am concerned about is the invasion of a vilolent alien culture on the UK. The past is frankly unimportant to me.

What is important is now, and the future of our great country which is under threat from this alien culture. Our own young people are brought up to believe that the white majority are the wrong-doers, and Islamic extremists are taking full advantage of this sad state of affairs. we have hate preachers openly attacking the culture and lifestyles of the ingenious whites, aided and abetted by race relations laws introduced over the last few decades. They often threaten violence to anyone who opposes Islam, they jeer our dead soldiers as they return home in their coffins, they demand we adopt their lifestyles, and some were even demanding we cancel Christmas. I have said this before, and I will say it again - ISLAM IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH WESTERN DEMOCRACY! It is fine in the middle east, with its Mosques and burquas, but not in europe; after 1,400 years it is the firm home of Christianty - AND THAT"S THE WAY IT MUST STAY! EAST IS EAST, WEST IS WEST, NEVER THE TWAIN SHALL MEET. Sorry.

[Don]

I'm sorry octopus, but to say the above is rather ridiculous; how do you think Christianity got here in the first place!?

Sorry akPRO, I tried that bit of logic on him long ago, and as he says; that's the past and he isn't interested in history, nor the learning from it either apparently.

[akPRO]

They often threaten violence to anyone who opposes Islam, they jeer our dead soldiers as they return home in their coffins, they demand we adopt their lifestyles, and some were even demanding we cancel Christmas. I have said this before, and I will say it again - ISLAM IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH WESTERN DEMOCRACY!

You band around the word 'they', and yet I find it hard to understand who you are talking about. Muslims I presume, and yet this can't be possible if you have ever had a conversation with a muslim. ALL the muslims I have met have been more rational and intelligent than many other people I've had the displeasure of meeting, and not one of them has ever suggested we cancel Christmas, or demanded anything of me; these being regularly practising muslims including those who attend the 'feared' Regent's Park Mosque.

Most certainly I have (I'm sure) the same amount of disdain and anger for the group Islam4UK who disgraced themselves at Wootton Bassett, but by your own logic (and I hasten to add not mine) they are right to be angry, as we are imposing our "incompatible" western democracy on their Islamic state in Afghanistan.

The reality is that muslims are just another wave of immigrants that have come to our country to seek refuge or in hope of a better future. Like the Jews, Irish, South Asians and many others before them, they are naturally met with some hostility because they are new, or 'alien' to us, but that does not mean that they wish to undermine us. All of us in this country are at least partly from an immigrant heritage, it just depends how far back you look.

[Janus]

I am aware of the birth place of Christanity 2000 years ago, and where, which is of course ancient history; frankly I am not concerned about its history. What I am concerned about is the invasion of a vilolent alien culture on the UK. The past is frankly unimportant to me.

What is important is now, and the future of our great country which is under threat from this alien culture. Our own young people are brought up to believe that the white majority are the wrong-doers, and Islamic extremists are taking full advantage of this sad state of affairs. we have hate preachers openly attacking the culture and lifestyles of the ingenious whites, aided and abetted by race relations laws introduced over the last few decades. They often threaten violence to anyone who opposes Islam, they jeer our dead soldiers as they return home in their coffins, they demand we adopt their lifestyles, and some were even demanding we cancel Christmas. I have said this before, and I will say it again - ISLAM IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH WESTERN DEMOCRACY! It is fine in the middle east, with its Mosques and burquas, but not in europe; after 1,400 years it is the firm home of Christianty - AND THAT"S THE WAY IT MUST STAY! EAST IS EAST, WEST IS WEST, NEVER THE TWAIN SHALL MEET. Sorry.

The birthplace of Christianity was not in the West as you well know: it is from Palestine/Israel during the Roman age. If Islam should go home then so should Christianity with it, because they both immigrated from the East. The agenda of Islam now is the same as Christianity then: to take over the world with its "Gospel" or Good News of hope, light and salvation for those who will embrace it. They each have their Messiah, in Christianity's case the Occidentally-accepted Jesus H. Christ of adventist and eschatological-parousial fame.
But I fear that both those religions are doing equal damage in the world today, the one with its "moralising" death threats against the West, and excepting those of them who live here in the West who are Muslims we are all under an apparent death-sentence which should never be insured with any authority or credibility by OUR countries' leaders (a Euro-Arabic coalition, anyone?). And the other with the liberal presumptive decadence and outlandish revelatio-prophetic heresies whose source was not the Third Person of the Trinity but a source of unimformed contention instead by those in the churches.
The Jews were constantly uprising against the Roman government by the time of the birth of Christianity, which is to be perfectly understood, because everyone wants their freedom unintruded upon I must admit, but the Romans were good statesmen and fair in dealings much if not all of the time because they had the political nous to mete out the correct law and social system without which we in Britain also would have remained in the night of barbarism. They educated us, built our straight roads and greatly influenced our scholasticism and laws to the degree we became a civilised country by them in short measure rather than protracted length. I cannot say that either Christianity or Islam has brought that state of civility to us in the way that Rome did in 55BC and beyond, can I? My final point is that this is no longer a Christian country any more anyway in the sense of what Christianity was meant to be about, which in my opinion is a form of all-encompassing Socialism and international socialism beyond our shores (not the communist sort, I mean True Labour not New Labour).

[octopus]

The birthplace of Christianity was not in the West as you well know: it is from Palestine/Israel during the Roman age. If Islam should go home then so should Christianity with it, because they both immigrated from the East. The agenda of Islam now is the same as Christianity then: to take over the world with its "Gospel" or Good News of hope, light and salvation for those who will embrace it. They each have their Messiah, in Christianity's case the Occidentally-accepted Jesus H. Christ of adventist and eschatological-parousial fame.
But I fear that both those religions are doing equal damage in the world today, the one with its "moralising" death threats against the West, and excepting those of them who live here in the West who are Muslims we are all under an apparent death-sentence which should never be insured with any authority or credibility by OUR countries' leaders (a Euro-Arabic coalition, anyone?). And the other with the liberal presumptive decadence and outlandish revelatio-prophetic heresies whose source was not the Third Person of the Trinity but a source of unimformed contention instead by those in the churches.
The Jews were constantly uprising against the Roman government by the time of the birth of Christianity, which is to be perfectly understood, because everyone wants their freedom unintruded upon I must admit, but the Romans were good statesmen and fair in dealings much if not all of the time because they had the political nous to mete out the correct law and social system without which we in Britain also would have remained in the night of barbarism. They educated us, built our straight roads and greatly influenced our scholasticism and laws to the degree we became a civilised country by them in short measure rather than protracted length. I cannot say that either Christianity or Islam has brought that state of civility to us in the way that Rome did in 55BC and beyond, can I? My final point is that this is no longer a Christian country any more anyway in the sense of what Christianity was meant to be about, which in my opinion is a form of all-encompassing Socialism and international socialism beyond our shores (not the communist sort, I mean True Labour not New Labour).

I know Christianity WASN"t born in the west, I never said it was. I acknowledge the Roman influlence on the development of Britain. The ancient Britons were enslaved and treated badly for centuries in the same way the negro slaves were treated ceturies later; not that we"re allowed to speak of that, of course. In contrast to our African friends, I thank the Romans for their contribution, unlike some of the Africans that spit in our faces and take our money at the same time.

Again, as well YOU know, Christianity has been established in the west for well over a thousand years. Islam is new to the west, and seeks to take over from Christianity, which we British will not allow.

Socialism is a threat, whether old Labour, or New Labour, as they have allowed these foreign influlences like the burqua to take its place in the UK.

It is all very well to bring up ancient history, but, I say again, it"s the FUTURE that worries me.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

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What seperates Christians and Muslims is the zealous brutality of Islam.

In what way does it differ from the zealous brutality of so called christians?

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Solmon Rushdie lives in fear of his life as does Geert Wilders.

so called christianity used to drown people on ducking stools, burn women alive at the stake, pull people limb from limb on the rack - it still ostracises and abuses people - in some areas it has institutionalised child abuse and the Mormon church believes in multiple marriage and under age sex also arranged marriages!

[QUOTE=octopus;100876]

The reason? They are critcs of Islam. The mainstream Christian church doesn"t threaten people with death, just because they are crictical of their faith. That"s why I say they are not compatiple with us in the west, sorry.

RECENTLY.

You overlook Tony Blair's war crimes and crimes against humanity and the 1.4Million people his lies have killed in pretence to chrstianity.

How is this so different?

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When I say you and your PC chums it is not meant as an insult,

Try to be a bit plausible - it is comments like this that make you seem so foolish.

What do you mean by PC and perhaps you can find an example of me being PC - no diubt you know from whence the AEsopianism and PC come.

[QUOTE=octopus;100876]

just a misguided way of thinking,

Not only do you have a misguided way of thinking you are unable to cite and example.

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whoever invented it,

So it seems you are happy to remain ignorant and yet continue to use epithets of which you have no understanding!! How very christian!

[QUOTE=octopus;100876]

I am sorry you read that way.

How else could ANYONE react?

[QUOTE=octopus;100876]

Like left-wing ideaolgies, it is a fantasy that will never work.

Have you a clue what you are talking about - what is this 'left wing ideology' you so stupidly accuse me of!!

[QUOTE=octopus;100876]

Your posts in almost all instances reflect this PC theme, in fact Jacques, Kiwi or Dougie could not do any better

Now you ARE being just idiotic - you paint yourself as a fool. Have you ANY idea how silly your comments are?

[QUOTE=octopus;100876]

- but that is your point of view, I wouldn"t take it as an insult, neither should you.

In your instance I can understand that as we all have our own standards and I do!

[QUOTE=octopus;100876]

On matters concerning New Labour and Jack straw, we are on more agreeable ground, as I did know of this incident,

No doubt you do since I managed to get it published!

[QUOTE=octopus;100876]

as well as his father being sent to prison for refusing to fight in WW2.
Labour in general are a bad lot in my opnion.

I'm not entirely sure they are as bad as someone who would seek to blame someone for the actions of their Father in which they had no say. You seem to be sinking to the levels of Griffin on Question Time!

[QUOTE=octopus;100876]

Enoch Powell was concerned about all aspects of immigration, not just Muslims.

Dis I say he wasn't? No indeed I did not!

[QUOTE=octopus;100876]

True, as you say, the burqua is not a modern concept - but to this country it is,

No not true, there were examples in the 1800s.
Masked balls, widows weeds, veiled brides, Nun's habits etc.

[QUOTE=octopus;100876]

and is not welcome by the majority of the ingenious population, AND NEVER WILL BE!

I disagree - most people I know couldn't give a monkey's.

[QUOTE=octopus;100876]

Whether it is 1500 or 15, sorry, this England, not the middle-east.

Did you know we have NEVER had a copulsory dress code in Britain?

Fashion and fabrics have been imports in Britain for Millenia and long may it continue.

Your introspective prejudices and fear are noted but fortunately you are a minority of the population it would seem.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

[octopus]

[QUOTE=Greg Lance-Watkins;101549][QUOTE=octopus;100876]

In what way does it differ from the zealous brutality of so called christians?

[QUOTE=octopus;100876]

so called christianity used to drown people on ducking stools, burn women alive at the stake, pull people limb from limb on the rack - it still ostracises and abuses people - in some areas it has institutionalised child abuse and the Mormon church believes in multiple marriage and under age sex also arranged marriages!

[QUOTE=octopus;100876] RECENTLY.

You overlook Tony Blair's war crimes and crimes against humanity and the 1.4Million people his lies have killed in pretence to chrstianity.

How is this so different?

[QUOTE=octopus;100876]

Try to be a bit plausible - it is comments like this that make you seem so foolish.

What do you mean by PC and perhaps you can find an example of me being PC - no diubt you know from whence the AEsopianism and PC come.

[QUOTE=octopus;100876]

Not only do you have a misguided way of thinking you are unable to cite and example.

[QUOTE=octopus;100876]

So it seems you are happy to remain ignorant and yet continue to use epithets of which you have no understanding!! How very christian!

[QUOTE=octopus;100876]

How else could ANYONE react?

[QUOTE=octopus;100876]

Have you a clue what you are talking about - what is this 'left wing ideology' you so stupidly accuse me of!!

[QUOTE=octopus;100876]

Now you ARE being just idiotic - you paint yourself as a fool. Have you ANY idea how silly your comments are?

[QUOTE=octopus;100876]

In your instance I can understand that as we all have our own standards and I do!

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No doubt you do since I managed to get it published!

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I'm not entirely sure they are as bad as someone who would seek to blame someone for the actions of their Father in which they had no say. You seem to be sinking to the levels of Griffin on Question Time!

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Dis I say he wasn't? No indeed I did not!

[QUOTE=octopus;100876]

No not true, there were examples in the 1800s.
Masked balls, widows weeds, veiled brides, Nun's habits etc.

[QUOTE=octopus;100876]

I disagree - most people I know couldn't give a monkey's.

Did you know we have NEVER had a copulsory dress code in Britain?

Fashion and fabrics have been imports in Britain for Millenia and long may it continue.

Your introspective prejudices and fear are noted but fortunately you are a minority of the population it would seem.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

Again, we are going over old ground in the main, don"t you think, Greg? I think you know what I am saying. Islam IS a lot more Zealous than Christianity. For instance, I would feel quite safe having a difference of opnion with somebody in a Christian church rather than a Muslim in a Mosque - I might actually leave the building ALIVE. Besides that, Chistianity is the established faith of our great nation, sometimes violent, I grant you. You ARE very much in the PC camp on this issue, that is why I made that statement. Some other issues, you tend to live more in the real world, such as Capital punishment and Tony Blair"s involvement in the Middle-East, too I can go along with. You say I am in the minority. You wouldn"t think that if you spoke to some people outside that meeting in Camberely, where application for building of a Mosque, and the destruction of a listed building was turned down. Miilions more people, pig sick of your Muslim pals, taking over their streets, shops and lives, in the big cities; and walking around like something out of Arabian Knights. Trust me Greg - YOU ARE IN THE MINORITY ALONG WITH YOUR FOLLOWERS! As I say, old ground. And doesn"t it strike you as odd, the far-right now have MEPS? Thus getting onto programmes like Question Time. That indicates to me people are voting for them, and endorsing what I am saying to be fact. I think you are the one that sounds foolish, Greg, and as I say, in the minority.

[octopus]

You band around the word 'they', and yet I find it hard to understand who you are talking about. Muslims I presume, and yet this can't be possible if you have ever had a conversation with a muslim. ALL the muslims I have met have been more rational and intelligent than many other people I've had the displeasure of meeting, and not one of them has ever suggested we cancel Christmas, or demanded anything of me; these being regularly practising muslims including those who attend the 'feared' Regent's Park Mosque.

Most certainly I have (I'm sure) the same amount of disdain and anger for the group Islam4UK who disgraced themselves at Wootton Bassett, but by your own logic (and I hasten to add not mine) they are right to be angry, as we are imposing our "incompatible" western democracy on their Islamic state in Afghanistan.

The reality is that muslims are just another wave of immigrants that have come to our country to seek refuge or in hope of a better future. Like the Jews, Irish, South Asians and many others before them, they are naturally met with some hostility because they are new, or 'alien' to us, but that does not mean that they wish to undermine us. All of us in this country are at least partly from an immigrant heritage, it just depends how far back you look.

I think it is obvious who I am speaking of, Akpro. I am not saying every Muslim is a trouble maker but all the time we have them in our society, we are in a dangerous situation. Again, I am going over old ground here. Afghanistan, I frankly couldn"t care less about - nothing to do with us. I would bring our troops back tomorrow. I am only concerned about the UK, 2010 and beyond, and its indgenious people. Frankly I believe a multiculure society is a disaster waiting to happen, as you will find a lot of those friendly Muslims you speak will join their fellow Muslims against us. Immigration should only be allowed at the discrection of our goverment. One day, you too, will realise that. I hope it"s not to late.

[octopus]

But the average person, is limited intilectually. Jus becasue the masses like it does not make it good.


How??


HOW??


HOW??


Generally the left aren't xenophobes or racists, so one would hope that they don't like that policy.



Are saying that Muslims are terrorists? God, your even stupider than I thought.



Using Xenophobia to get votes, do you want that type of people running your nation?



If you dislike socialists so much I presume all your healthcare and education through private services, if someone attacks you or robs you, you don't call the govt funded police. I also presume you are outrage that you don't have to pay a massive fee every time you go onto a road.

You enjoy hatred and Xenophobia? You need to see a psychologist, there is something wrong with you.

The only thing wrong with him is that he lives in the real world.

[Janus]

Scroodle-doodle-doo.

Come, come. We all feel a little hatred and 'fear of the exotic' from time to time. It's natural. It's like a love/hate relationship. If I were to consume a lamb for lunch, for example, would I not perhaps feel an almost hypocritically vegetarian pang of pity for it before-my sensibilities getting the better of me-devouring it? The same sometimes goes for our attitudes towards that which we regard as...different.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

I disagree - most people I know couldn't give a monkey's.
Again, we are going over old ground in the main, don"t you think, Greg? I think you know what I am saying. Islam IS a lot more Zealous than Christianity. For instance, I would feel quite safe having a difference of opnion with somebody in a Christian church rather than a Muslim in a Mosque - I might actually leave the building ALIVE. Besides that, Chistianity is the established faith of our great nation, sometimes violent, I grant you. You ARE very much in the PC camp on this issue, that is why I made that statement. Some other issues, you tend to live more in the real world, such as Capital punishment and Tony Blair"s involvement in the Middle-East, too I can go along with. You say I am in the minority. You wouldn"t think that if you spoke to some people outside that meeting in Camberely, where application for building of a Mosque, and the destruction of a listed building was turned down. Miilions more people, pig sick of your Muslim pals, taking over their streets, shops and lives, in the big cities; and walking around like something out of Arabian Knights. Trust me Greg - YOU ARE IN THE MINORITY ALONG WITH YOUR FOLLOWERS! As I say, old ground. And doesn"t it strike you as odd, the far-right now have MEPS? Thus getting onto programmes like Question Time. That indicates to me people are voting for them, and endorsing what I am saying to be fact. I think you are the one that sounds foolish, Greg, and as I say, in the minority.

Hi,

were your judgement correct, which clearly it is not as the tiny weenie, miniscule number of extremist MPs shows and even amongst the MEPs only 12 EUkip & 2 BNP could be described as Racist, Xenophobic, anti Jewish or advocates of violence in politics.

Were you right, which you clearly delude yourself into believing you are though bereft of sound data - I would be proud to be in the minority and remain there as there is NEVER a wrong time to do the right thing.

I believe that freedom of speech and expression are the cornerstone of civilisation hence vile as I know the BNP to be I defend their legal right to seek to engage in democracy and I utterly repudiate the anti democratic behaviour of such as Searchlight, UAF, ANaL, AHL, ARA and their sordid ilk who act as such obvious recruiting sargeants for the BNP as does UKIP in its failure to cirb the behaviur of EUkip's leadership.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

[Janus]

Scroodle-Doodle-Doo.

[Citizen Smith]

Make up, not necessary, but neither does it offend our sensabilities or traditions..

Speak for yourself, it irritates me that women feel they have to use make up to improve their looks, the very old fashioned view of finding a husband....... but I don't complain. I let them get on with it, because I respect them.

Mr Fascist, you are so easily offended.... yet you have no problem making risque statements yourself, double standards?

[DC]

Speak for yourself, it irritates me that women feel they have to use make up to improve their looks, the very old fashioned view of finding a husband....... but I don't complain. I let them get on with it, because I respect them.

Mr Fascist, you are so easily offended.... yet you have no problem making risque statements yourself, double standards?

Yet you are in the minority in this regard, the vast majority of British society is not offended in any way by a woman wearing make up. Now the fact that the Burqa is a religious symbol does not offend me at all, it's the fact that it covers the face which is offensive. European society regards those who cover their faces in public with caution, and many find it intimidating. Yet some Islamic women insist on wearing them in spite of this. When a cultural practice not only creates a double standard (in airports and banks), but also intimidates and offends, then it should be stopped. This is why we don't allow nudity in public.

[Balthazar]

More Muslim-bashing. Pathetic. More knacker-less white men moaning that their "culture" is under "threat" from a piece of clothing. Pathetic. More un-British bigots pissing on the memory of soldiers who fought fascism in WW2. Pathetic. More political simpletons doing Osama's dirty work for him. Pathetic.

I wish that some of you would use a spellcheckr

You can teach people to hate. You can teach people to spell. But you can't do both.