This is a discussion on Right to bear arms saves lives at MGH! within the United States Politics Forum forums, part of the United States category; Originally Posted by Opinionated Yeah well, firstly most gay men I know can dance better than that. Secondly we aren't ...
Senior MP
If you like queers then that is fine. I won't be judgemental. Happy hunting.Originally Posted by Opinionated
You know what is really pathetic?
When I watch the British troops in this video:
YouTube - amarillo(royal dragoon gaurds)
I can't help to think that those men in the video are the very same ones that the chickensh*ts that never served in the military were afraid were going to beat them up in some dark alleyway.
Amazing, isn't it?
Buckwheat - Worst Commander in Chief ever!
Senior MP
How can they be "professional" when they don't attend US Army Ranger School and learn to be a Platoon Leader (PL)?
Here is what I am talking about:
YouTube - Whatcha going do PL?
By the way in case you don't know anything about US Army Rangers here is a short explaination:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzbr6fPDmkE
Buckwheat - Worst Commander in Chief ever!
Chancellor
Haven't we rather got off-topic here? Can we please get back to the original discussion about the right to carry arms supposedly saving lives.
"High taxes don't redistribute wealth; they redistribute taxpayers" -- Arthur Laffer
Senior MP
Why buy a semi automatic AR-15 rifle for $1000 in Texas when you can get a full auto M-16 out of Honduras for $100?
Why buy a semi auto AK-47 clone in the US for $400 when you can get a real full auto AK out of Guatemala for $50?
The filthy lying Obama Administration put out misinformation that somehow arms were going from the US to Mexico to be used by the drug traffickers.
It was a lie because the great majority of the weapons confiscated by the DEA have foreign serial numbers meaning it is smuggled in by non US sources.
Obama always lies to push his stupid Left Wing agenda.
Buckwheat - Worst Commander in Chief ever!
One post deleted to prevent this thread from becoming a circle jerk for gun fetishists. Stick to topic.
El Diablo Tejano
Go ahead, you can tell me. It was one of mine wasn't it?
"That's a man.....That's a stand tall, walk straight, put God's share in the collection plate, Man"- Jack Ingram
Tantal, your posts are usually very good! Its Flash who has a tendency to write biographies, specifications and post pictures of his less-than-impressive weaponry.Go ahead, you can tell me. It was one of mine wasn't it?
Poor Flash! I'm sure once he stops talking about his M16longbarrelhollowpointmagnumNR6blackpowderfullau to popgun he's something of a ladies man. Unless he and Tantal... you know... ahem...
Chancellor
OK, OK, can we please get back on topic!
"High taxes don't redistribute wealth; they redistribute taxpayers" -- Arthur Laffer
Yes boss.
Banned
Gun crime stats are inaccurate.Knife crime covers robbery and murder where the armed robber/killer uses a Knife.I know I'd rather be knived than shot.
http://extras.timesonline.co.uk//knives.pdf
5.9% of American victims of violent crime had knives pulled on them. It was 12.2% in the UK. So we have twice the amount of knife crime. But you have OVER 25 TIMES more gun crime than us. They don't exactly balance out, do they? Mostly because it is harder to hurt someone with a knife than a gun.
By the way, don't use 'gang-bangers' on a UK forum, it has a VERY different meaning over here
In gun crime the same, also reported as gun crime is the theft of a gun, suicide and carrying a firearm where restricted, all are reported as gun crime.Take those statistics into account for Knife crimes in the UK and your result will increase dramatically.Do the same for Guncrime in the uk the same result.
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The British Infantryman attends the infantry training center at Vimy Barracks in Catterick N Yorkshire.They learn to be a Private but at the end of training they will be able to perform well in the role of a Lance corporal(trained to do the next job up)The Combat infantrymans course is 25 weeks.
To gain promotion to Lance corporal they need usually a minimum of 2 years experience, they attend the PNCOs Cadre at ITC Senneybribge in Mid Wales, there they learn to perform as a Full corporal, the course is high intensity battle conditions learning difficult concepts like orders extraction and the like, that course is 14 weeks.To gain promotion to Full corporal you then need 2 years experience as a Lance corporal and will be expected to pass the SCBC(section commanders Battle course) at Sennaybridge(right there in the Brecon Beacons)That course is also 14 weeks.
To become a sgt one needs to attend the PSBC in sennaybridge, it is considered to me the worlds most difficult Infantry course, it is 14 weeks.
Professionalism in battle is what counts.
I have worked and trained alongside US troops, they are not a disciplined in Battle or in training as their British counterparts, but then i would have that belief.
I recall one exsercise when we stopped patrolling and the section automatically got into Herringbone(all round defence from a Linear formation on one knee, rifles at the ready).The American Squad following us fell down, sparked up and had a nap.
Can you source your source of evidence please? Otherwise you have none and I have some, so it would be hardly fair to believe you on this point.
Furthermore, you have failed to comment on how astoundingly wrong you were about Tony Martin's case. Too embarrassed that you think shooting a fleeing unarmed man in the back is acceptable?
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I have provided support for this claim several times on this forum, you have chosen to ignore it each time.
I have answered your question about the martin situation, it didnt agree with your twisted perception that criminals should be allowed to terrorise people with impunity so again you ignored it.
The scumbag Barras got what he deserved, he would have continued his career of violent crime, he was stopped whilst in the commission of a violent crime and on private property, perfectly justified defence of property and self, in my opinion.
Nope, sorry. You said Martin was a halfwit (he has depression) and that the decision was influenced by New labour, both of which I proved wrong. You then claimed that it was OK to shoot an unarmed fleeing man in the back. Then you failed to look at any of the evidence that I provided. Its ridiculously obvious that you've been shown up. You also claimed that Martin had been anally raped and assaulted by the same criminals and failed to provide evidence for those hilariously stupid assertions.
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Had his home not been repeatedly burgled by this clan of violent criminal scumbags?
Did his family not state that he was sexually assaulted and tortured by these gypsy scumbags?
An adult who sleeps with a Teddy bear is a halfwit, not one suffering from depression.
Do you belive that Barras and his scum clan wer right to attack this poor man in this manner?Oh you already said he should be attacked, as should all honest law abiding people( guess you are going into criminal law, get all the victims locked up and all the criminals freed)!Isnt that what you think?
Victims deserve all they get, criminals(your future source of income) get all your support, criminals are the best!!!!!Victims suck!!
Yes
No. It wasn't even mentioned in the court judgment and therefore wasn't proven in the slightest. There's not even any mention of this happening.
That's your idiotic judgment. He was alone at home, what's wrong with sleeping with a teddy? He was able to single handedly run a farm, I don't think that he was a 'halfwit' somehow, though you calling someone with depression one calls your intellect into serious question.
No.
Where did I say that? Its not my view.
Victims are actually a better source of income from lawyers, as you get far more from representing someone in a tortious case than in a criminal one, and it is through tort that victims will most likely pursue their aggressors.
Criminals do NOT deserve all that they get. They deserve exactly proportional punishment for their crime. Someone who rapes and murders a woman does not deserve the same punishment as a child who steals a packet of sweets, yet were we to apply your beliefs both could be shot respectively by the woman's husband and the shop manager. Or does that child not deserve to be shot? Well in that case you accept that there must be a sliding scale of punishment, not just death dealt out by the victim in every crime. So burglars do not deserve to be shot either. Where does the line stop under your badly-thought-through 'ideas'? If Martin had not lived alone, would it have been acceptable? If the burglars had never been there before would it have been acceptable? If the burglar was a sixteen year old boy forced into it by his peers or family would it have been acceptable? If it was the first time and all they had stolen was a bag of apples, would it have been acceptable? If he was walking down the street and someone pickpocketed him would it be acceptable to blow their head off?
The answer is clearly no to all of those cases. You can't accept victims dealing out vigilante justice, otherwise people will do things like lure someone they dislike onto their land before killing them and making it look like breaking and entering. You can't, in a fair and just society, have people being killed for the crime of breaking and entering. Its simply not workable.
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In a Fair and Just society the police would do their job and arrest and charge the people responsible for the crimes.In this case they held off because Gypsies had a special Minority status.
Kind of the same as the killers of Kriss Donald had been allowed to believe they were above the law prior to their attack on Kriss Donald, they had a special protected status due to their minority status.
As for the rest, if the police refuse to protect me i will damn well protect myself, tony martins shooting of these two violent criminals would look like childs play compared to how i would deal with such a scumbag as the Barras character, i am in fact losing no sleep over the loss of this scummer, nor am i shedding a tear for this evil bag of crap.I celebrate his death, he had no value as a human being, he was a violent career criminal.I only wish his partner in this violent crime and act of terror was also killed in the commission of this violent crime.
If someone is fleening my home after braking in, they may be escaping with my personal property, i have the right to defend my person and property(including my houshold Items/Artwork etc), in thet case i am defending my self and my property.
Are you suggesting that when you find a violent burglar in your home that you thank him and hand over all your valuables?Is that what you will do?
People like you deserve to be victims of crime, because you are soft on crime and filled with hatred for the victims of crime(tony Martin for example).
He was subjected to months of terror at the hands of this violent criminal clan, the police did nothing so he took it into his own hands to end the cycle of terror that he was subjected to.
In the USA that would be completely lawfull.Imagine a woman subjected to years of domestic violence and marital rape who one day turns around and kills her abusive spouse/Partner, In the USA Battered wife syndrome is an acceptable defense and has resulted in the aquittal of these poor women.You I guess would prefer to see them jailed for life??
You wish to persecute victims and molly coddle the criminal, one day your attitude will cause you to be the victim of a violent crime, You agree with the policy of coddle the crim, you will one day have to suffer the consequences.
Banned
Yes, as mentioned, this dr would have died had it not been for the right to best arms I would wager several others would too have been murdered, the only person coming out of this situation would have been the perpetrator, sounds like the ideal situation in a socialist world!
He was misunderstood, had a tough childhood!!
Let him go free!! I can't hear his dead victims complaining!!!!
Right to bear arms DEFINATLY saves lives!!
Gun control DEFINATLY costs the lives of the innocent whilst sparing the lives of criminal!!!
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